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Important Changes For Parrot Society Sales! All Members Please View

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Very contentious I suspect

Many keeping foreign don't ring due to not disturbing

Will definately put me off having a table at such events.

 

I won't take credit for posting, colin notified me about it

 

Let's hear everyone's opinion on th matter

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As i have never sold at Stafford i'm not conversant with the former rules, can somebody please sumarise what the actual changes are?

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As i have never sold at Stafford i'm not conversant with the former rules, can somebody please sumarise what the actual changes are?

there were no restrictions provided sales complied with CITES/DEFRA rules

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there were no restrictions provided sales complied with CITES/DEFRA rules

So the Parrot Society have introduced new rules to deter the sale of birds purchased on the continent and sold at Stafford? If true then that would not be in the spirit of free trade between members of the EU. I think there is far too much bureaucracy and regulations regarding aviculture already without bird societies introducing more!

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I can't see that it will make much difference at all, i don't even know why they would be saying 6 months, the rule is barmy and as what as been said above, it has bugger all to do with complying with Defra regulations on bird movement

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I can't see that it will make much difference at all, i don't even know why they would be saying 6 months, the rule is barmy and as what as been said above, it has bugger all to do with complying with Defra regulations on bird movement

As it says the list is not complete & from what I read in the PS mag ( I'd post it if I could but I'm struggling to post links on here ) most finches /waxbills are included with the exception of Aussie finches & I presume Bengies & Zebs

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Well we all know that Australia placed an export ban in the sixties, there are no wild form of Bengalese and although Zebras are Australian the best ones are already in the UK as far as the show men are concerned.

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I think it is just to do with "hobbyists", and that you are not "trading" birds, and this is how the PS help prove that you are just selling your surplus birds. Sale at Stafford have often had some issues, I remember back in 1992 you had to be a member of a recognised bird club to gain entry to the spring sale as a buyer.

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The Parrot Society have always had a long list of rules for their shows/sales to comply with DEFRA regulations and safe-guard the birds for sale. They now seem to be going 'over and above' as it is not for them to 'Police' the general public, what next vigilantes?

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what next vigilantes?

we already have they are called the Anti's

The Big problem with Birdkeeping is that the specialist groups are divided and that some sections are quite happy "to bend over backwards " to appease the Anti's in exchange for their own bit of the hobby being left alone . But also at the other extreme are those who if they can break the rules they will

What a lot birdkeepers forget is " united we stand & divided we fall " & that those who want to ban Birdkeeper are quite happpy as it makes it easier "to divide & conquer "

But to be fair to the PS without them spending money to defend the hobby, events such as Stafford would have been stoped by the Anti's a few years ago . And some of the blame should be placed on the shoulders of those who have been openly questioning how avian species that had been in short supply have become more readily available causing questions to be asked from outside of the hobby

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we already have they are called the Anti's

The Big problem with Birdkeeping is that the specialist groups are divided and that some sections are quite happy "to bend over backwards " to appease the Anti's in exchange for their own bit of the hobby being left alone . But also at the other extreme are those who if they can break the rules they will

What a lot birdkeepers forget is " united we stand & divided we fall " & that those who want to ban Birdkeeper are quite happpy as it makes it easier "to divide & conquer "

But to be fair to the PS without them spending money to defend the hobby, events such as Stafford would have been stoped by the Anti's a few years ago . And some of the blame should be placed on the shoulders of those who have been openly questioning how avian species that had been in short supply have become more readily available causing questions to be asked from outside of the hobby

I agree that the Parrot Society have excelled in providing three excellent shows at Stafford and PETA and other small minority groups have far too much influence. We have to remember that one man and his partner were able to stop the National Exhibition of Cage Birds but the extra species that are now available is due to the legal trade with our European partners and just this week it has been announced that DEFRA are going to scrap the need for documental evidence for British Birds to comply with the European requirement of just a closed ring.

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They now seem to be going 'over and above' as it is not for them to 'Police' the general public,

I believe that it is up to them to "police the public" at least at events that they run, if anything goes wrong (because of one of their events), then they are culpable for the outcome, whether they are directly or indirectly to blame.

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Its worth pointing out that this will not currently affect the March sale as this is not a PS event.

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I believe that it is up to them to "police the public" at least at events that they run, if anything goes wrong (because of one of their events), then they are culpable for the outcome, whether they are directly or indirectly to blame.

So if some body has their pocket picked then the Parrot Society are responsible? Providing they have taken all reasonable measures then they are not responsible for criminal activity, in my opinion.

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